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This post sparked such an explosion of thoughts for me. I spent about a decade (2012-2023ish) heavily involved with progressive communities – co-op schools, my local UU congregation, a co-op pagan family camp, informal co-housing, and a CSA – and one of the things they had in common was quasi-salvific rhetoric about the value of community. I still agree with it intellectually, except now whenever I hear communities touting the value of community, my emotional reaction is somewhere between an eye-roll and a danger response, like part of me thinks community is going to mug me if it finds me alone in a dark alley.

I’m used to thinking of this as a personal problem: burnout, alienation, and something that happens because I’m probably autistic – I say yes to work because it’s a more satisfying way of socializing than less structured group events are. I like working with other people, and a lot of the work I did is stuff I’m proud of and glad to have done. Maybe all the flowery rhetoric about the importance of community encouraged me to hope for too much, though? Too many testimonials about found-family and lifelong friends, too many promises of growing into the kind of person you want to be, too much spin about how great programs or events were, too many guarantees that everyone counts, and little of it mirrored my and my kids’ actual experiences. Some of the promises weren’t even things the communities said, just promises that this kind of rhetoric convinced me to make to myself. I wonder how common my experience is and what additional competencies or conditions someone like me would need to sustain a commitment to community.

But just now thinking about the problem with your blog’s frame of religious trauma in mind, something new occurred to me: what if my burnout / alienation isn’t just a personal problem -- what if it’s a potential inherent in the rhetoric? A likelihood even? Part of how progressive communities inspire support is by talking up the power of community, and I don’t think anyone I knew was doing it in bad faith or trying to take advantage of people, but the rhetoric was urgent and ungrounded in a way that maybe made it harder to work through problems and sustain long-term commitment, given that my family’s experiences mostly hadn’t been wonderful or transformative. If pro-community rhetoric overstates its case, what long term effects does that have?

I’m not sure where I’m going with this, and I’m not looking for you to have answers -- mostly I’m glad you wrote this post that got me thinking, and hope I haven't imposed too much by writing this lengthy of a comment. If you have good feelings about community, I don’t want to quash those, and I don’t want to stop you from talking about it, or from being motivated by pro-community values. I mean, I’m still trying to convince my tween that having more connections to people makes life richer and helps us come alive, and that when classmates at her new school ask if she wants to eat lunch together, she should say yes more often instead of reading a book.

Also, John Green! The tween and I watch his new episode of Crash Course: Religions together ever Tuesday after school, but it hadn’t occurred to me to explore what he’s done besides Crash Course.

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Gina P's avatar

I love John Green! Hank too - their podcast, vlog, and general work is/has been a touchstone of sanity and goodness for years. We even have a John Green “Pizza John” rug hanging on the wall that weirds people out.

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