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Amy Bruce's avatar

I think it’s true that groups will always have their difficult dynamics, and that inner work by individuals is crucial for growth, whether that be spiritual or any other kind. One thing I struggle with is how people go to church and expect that that is going to do the Internal work for them, not unlike people coming to therapy and expecting (and hoping and praying) that the therapist is going to do the work. I also admit to being church-adjacent in that there is a lot of amazing work by composers that I wouldn’t have gotten to engage with if I had stayed unwilling to enter a church. But wow, is there baggage. At this point in life I’m accepting of living in the struggle without clear answers. I try to be gentle with others and hope they are gentle with me. And the journey continues, and continues to change. I am glad we’re all here together!

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Sarah G. Young's avatar

I really appreciate all your thoughts here, Christine. I've been trying to find safety from that same theo-bro, violent-God theology for a long time. While I was running away from toxic theology and exploring a lot of different options, I finally stumbled to a place I think I can stay. I'm staying Christian, but only because I'm starting to look at the Bible through an interpretive lens that actually takes seriously verses and promises that the Reformed tradition overlooks or explains away because of their theological filters. Passages like Isaiah 25:6-9, Rom 5:15-19, 1 Cor 15:28, Col 1:19-20, and one of my lifetime favorite verses, 1 John 4:18. I've learned to trust my instincts that if God is real, God has to be good and has to be love, and there is no fear in love. I've learned that salvation is not being saved *from* hell or punishment, but being set free *by* Jesus from captivity to sin and death, and saved *for* abundant life in God. Of course, I'm still figuring things out on this journey, but, I've been reading David Bentley Hart, and listening to a lot of other podcasts and sermons, and exploring early church fathers who believed in the ultimate reconciliation of everyone to God, and finding out, like you wrote in your post on hell, that the idea of an eternal hell wasn't even invented until the 4th century. To sum up, I've started to see things much like you wrote in this post: that the "point" of Christianity is not to see who goes to heaven or hell when they die. It's to be with God, know God, and labor with God here and now as he's reconciling the world to himself.

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