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Sarah G. Young's avatar

Thank you for sharing this framework and some of your journey Christine. I think my process is looking very similar to yours. The thing that bothers me so much is that most Christians I know, my good friends, get around the sticky issue of hell by believing what you mentioned from The Great Divorce - that hell is a place people lock themselves into, or choose for themselves, rather than a place God sends them to punish them. So God is supposedly honoring their free will. It's also a view supported by Timothy Keller who for some reason is the most popular theologian among my church friends. But they stop there - they don't consider how this applies to people who, for example, never heard about Jesus. Did those people "choose" not to believe in Jesus? No, they just never had the opportunity. Lewis, Keller and others have a cop-out workaround for this - God deals with them in a different way that we might not know of, God always operates with love, his ways are higher than our ways, etc. I used to be content with that answer - with trusting that God wouldn't send someone to hell just because they never had the opportunity to believe in him in their life. But then my coworker and friend, who was an atheist (I don't believe in a god, he told me once) and one of the most altruistic people I ever met, who devoted his life to the peace process in Colombia and to creating better opportunities for underprivileged communities, died in a kayaking accident. And while it took me a year or so to realize it, that was when I stopped believing in hell - or in a loving God who could send anyone to hell. Because I couldn't continue to worship a god who would send my friend to hell just because he chose not to believe in any god. And now I see a good friend of mine grieving the sudden loss of his mother to covid, and torn up with anxiety about whether she was a believer or not. He often says, I just hope she is with Christ right now. I see that and I think, I can't continue to believe in a god who tortures his children by allowing them to suffer mental, emotional, and spiritual angst over whether their own parents will be burning in hell for eternity because they didn't believe. I just can't. I'm still in church, still haven't gotten "TFO" but I think what I needed to start to feel safe again was to begin to entertain the idea of universalism like you. That's where I'm at. Sorry for the long comment - your post just unleashed this from me, haha, and I feel like this is a safe space to share.

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D.L. Mayfield's avatar

Krispin always points out that victims of abuse or trauma are the types of people who might engage in self-sabotaging behaviors, which means even CS Lewis’ view of hell is really violent! Basically blaming folks who already feel heaps of shame that yeah, THEY are locking themselves out of God’s love, and it’s all their fault. None of it really adds up, and all I can see is how these views harm vulnerable people 🥺

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